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Peeling the onion

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Peeling the onion

Post by DejanM » 22 Aug 2013, 14:18

Pojavio se jos jedan interesantan komentar Paul McGowena (PS Audio) ali pre noge sto ga citiram, moram da kazem da mi se desavalo upravo to o cemu on pise. naime, x puta do sada sam rekao svojoj supruzi kako je neverovatno kako se zvuk mog sistema promenio kada sam promenio neki kabl, stavio nove police, ubacio neku novu komponentu ..... Sve dok jednog dana ona meni nije rekla: "Pa do sada bi trebalo da imas najbolji sistem u kosmosu koliko puta si vec popravio zvuk svog sistema". To me je naravno nateralo na razmisljanje - pre svega zbog toga sto zbilja postoji sumnja da taj subjektivni dozivljaj promene mozda nije uvek zapravo i realan .... ili mozda jeste ?

Evo sta kaze Paul na tu temu:

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In the process of answering the many comments I receive (which are much appreciated) one was made that really struck home. Here is the comment from frequent contributor Mark Fisher that was made after I wrote “it’s amazing what it has done for the system.”

“This seems to happen every time there’s a change. When the IRS replaced the Maggies, When the cables were replaced. When you installed your new amplifier, and now again with this preamp. And there might be a few other times I forgot about. If this keeps up soon there will be nothing left to do except sit back and enjoy it. Happy listening icon smile Peeling the onion“

How many times have I written that “the system is completely transformed”? ”I have just heard something that blew me away”. How many times can one actually make changes so big that you get all fired up and wax enthusiastically about them?

I think the answer is simple because the quest for better performance in our audio and music systems is an ongoing one that is similar to peeling an onion. An onion has many, many layers and every time you peel back one of those layers you see a fresh new onion unlike the onion you just looked at. I don’t get excited about onions, but I do continue to get excited and amazed with layer I peel back in the system.

This Saturday the Colorado Audio Society is coming to visit us and hear the new system. I have been working non-stop to get Music Room One sounding as best I can so their trip will be a good and memorable one. Will it be the best they’ve ever heard? Unlikely. I do my best at setup but the truth is I am not the best setup person around. There are many much better than I. I am also not the greatest golden eared person. There are many much better than I and most likely some in the group would qualify. But that’s ok, I am delighted folks want to come and hear the system. It’s fun to share – and how often does one get to hear a classic loudspeaker like the Infinity IRS V? There were, after all, only 58 pair ever built.

So after we play around with the system and enjoy each others company on Saturday afternoon, I’ll have tons of new opinions and suggestions to work with after they leave.

That feedback will allow me to peel yet another layer of the onion and get even closer to musical enjoyment than I have now. I’ll probably be excited all over again.

Ain’t it fun?

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by Mjuzik » 22 Aug 2013, 17:36

nesto slicno sam komentarisao ovih dana...citajuci razne kritike, utiske vlasnika uredjaja, itd, izgleda kao da svaka nova generacija uredjaja donosi novi "napredak"...novo pojacalo je bolje od starog modela, novi dac je bolji od prethodnog, pojacalo a vise nije class leader nego je to pojacalo b, i kad sve saberes sva ta silna poboljsanja bi trebalo da znace kako je bilo sta sto kupis danas kraj sveta sto se tice zvuka...

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by PrekoBare » 23 Aug 2013, 19:01

Mjuzik, mnoge stvari koje se prodaju nisu kraj sveta sto se tice zvuka ali jesu sto se tice zdrave pameti.

Taj danasnji hi end nije namenjen bogatasima, bogatasima na noge dolaze zvezde da im sviraju i pevaju a ne kojekakvi drndafoni.

Kad se udruzi ciljna grupa - iskompleksirani kupci zeljni patkometrije i prodavci alavi na pare rezultat je danasnji hi-end.
Hi end nije hi fi. hi fi podrazumeva vernost reprodukcije, hi end podrazumeva farbanje. Inzinjeri farbaju zvuk da bi dobili prepoznatljiv zvcni potpis
a marketinska odeljenja farbaju kupce zeljne patkometrije.

Hi End bismo mogli da na srpski prevedemo kao Preterivanje.

U svetu u kojem jedna hi-end komponenta kosta vise nego Mecka C300 ocigledno se doslo do kraja zdrave pameti.
"Najbolje je neprijatelj dobrog"

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by Sir Oliver » 24 Aug 2013, 19:19

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by PrekoBare » 30 Aug 2013, 09:25

MBL video.

Ako niste vec videli, uzivajte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN0fkNp4WLs
"Najbolje je neprijatelj dobrog"

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by DejanM » 01 Sep 2013, 09:25

PrekoBare wrote:MBL video.

Ako niste vec videli, uzivajte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN0fkNp4WLs
Odlican marketing spot. Poruka gadja upravo ono streba (sa nasim uredjajima cete cuti ono sto sa drugima necete) a sama prica je odlicno ispricana i namenjena je upravo onom segmentu potrosaca koji su potencijalni kupci ovako skupe opreme.

MBL jeste zbilja prototip danasnjeg Hi Enda, ali u pozitivnom smislu. MBL uredjaji jesu skupi ali je kvalitet izrade zbilja izuzetan. Pored toga to je firma koja je unela dosta inovacija - tu pre svega mislim na njihove zvucnike. Zvuk bas ovog sistema iz spota jeste pomepezan, sa ogromnim stage-om, veoma realan po svim parametrima. Ali ipak, ostavlja vas pomalo hladnim dok ga slusate ...

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by first » 01 Sep 2013, 15:14

DejanM wrote: MBL jeste zbilja prototip danasnjeg Hi Enda,...
Ali ipak, ostavlja vas pomalo hladnim dok ga slusate ...
Zašto? :ovo

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by DejanM » 01 Sep 2013, 17:10

first wrote:
DejanM wrote: MBL jeste zbilja prototip danasnjeg Hi Enda,...
Ali ipak, ostavlja vas pomalo hladnim dok ga slusate ...
Zašto? :ovo
Pa ne znam tacno ... Mozda bas zbog te pompeznosti ... te snage kojom ceo sistem gruva ali kao da nema one Finesse, onih sitnih detalja ... bar u mom slucaju taj sistem ne uspeva da uspostavi neki intimni kontakt sa mnom. On doduse svira dobro i sve je tu - sve se cuje, sto treba da se cuje, ali kao da nestpo fali ...

Ali ovo su samo moji povrsni utisci - trebalo bi ziveti sa ovim siostemom jedno vreme pa videti ...

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Post by first » 01 Sep 2013, 20:14

@DejanM

Pitam, jer uopšte nisam stekao takav utisak. Moćan je to zvuk koji okupira pažnju i ništa hladno u toj prezentaciji nisam
pronašao. Jedino je cena ''da se smrzneš'', jer tih 700K evra ne ostavljaju prostora ni da se sanjari o kupovini. Ako si na to
mislio, onda se potpuno slažem. :mr

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Re: Peeling the onion

Post by DejanM » 01 Sep 2013, 21:15

Nisam mislio na novac.

Recimo kada sam slusao u nekoliko navrata "srebrni" Audio Note sistem, onda se mogla cuti (a zapravo gotovo videti) frapantna transparentnost zvucne prezentacije. Ona je bila na tako visokom nivou da sam zapravo mogao videti izvodjace ispred sebe. Nije bilo nicega izmedju mene i tih muzicara. To ovde nije slucaj. MBL je napucan do krajnjih granica, i on svira dobro ali sam u svakom trenutku svestan da je to HiFi sistem. Nema zanosa, nema neke prefinjenosti ... transparentnost je zapravo prosecna. Sve je nekako "nemacki" perfektno a opet ...

Mozda je u pitanju samo moj ukus ... ali transparentnost za mene jeste veoma vazan parametar reprodukcije zvuka. Recimo Martion horne imaju tu magicnu transparentnost .... ili Kharma zvucnici sa Wavac SET ampom ....

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