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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by DejanM » 01 Apr 2011, 14:15

zika wrote:Skoro da sam, baš, zadovoljan music-om koju slušam... Naravno, to, nikako, ne znači da je to nešto savršeno i po meri drugih ili da je neko veliko postignuće, to je, samo, moj, trenutni, utisak...
ALi to i jeste jedino sto je bitno u celoj toj prici ... Puno srece u pregovorima sa Solajom ...

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by zika » 01 Apr 2011, 14:22

DejanM wrote:
zika wrote:Skoro da sam, baš, zadovoljan music-om koju slušam... Naravno, to, nikako, ne znači da je to nešto savršeno i po meri drugih ili da je neko veliko postignuće, to je, samo, moj, trenutni, utisak...
ALi to i jeste jedino sto je bitno u celoj toj prici ... Puno srece u pregovorima sa Solajom ...
Sa gospodinom Šolajom, sreća je u samim pregovorima i razgovorima, makar meni... Uživao sam u svakom našem susretu...

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by DejanM » 29 May 2011, 21:31

Ovako nesto:

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/products ... M1CLiC.asp

mi se cini da postaje sve interesantnija opcija: network player, preamp, DAC, .... sve u jednom uredjaju.

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by DejanM » 19 Aug 2013, 11:07

Ovaj tread sam pokrenuo pre gotovo 3 godine a povod je bilo razmisljanje Paul McGowana (PS Audio) na temu da li je potrebno uopste imati preamp u sistemu kada DAC poseduje volume control. Evo 3 godine kasnije, Paul jos jednom glasno razmislja na tu temu i pravi zaokret:

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As a vegetarian for most of my adult life I don’t eat meat, fish or crow. Because I promised all of you I would eat crow if I was wrong about putting a preamp in the system, let me back off and simply use another metaphor I can live with: swallowing my pride. That’s friendly to my values and slides down a bit easier than roasted crow.

Consider it swallowed.

Before I offer you the inevitable caveats to being wrong let me reveal to you just what it is I am listening to. I think this product deserves a great deal of credit and recognition.

The preamp I now have in the main system in Music Room One is a tube based product: the Aesthetix Calypso. Aesthetix is a California based company with products designed by Jim White, clearly an artisan. I don’t know Jim, have never spoken with him and we’ve communicated only via email. I think he deserves a round of applause. The company is much like we strive to be: artisans building authentic products that serve the music: the real deal.

There is much work to be done on our part. I suspect the Calypso is but one of a few preamplifiers that would make me reconsider my stance on being between the DAC and the amp. I also suspect this is not restricted to just tubes. But I don’t know. And I don’t know why. What I do know is it’s amazing what it has done for the system.

One of my all time favorite discs is one that HP recommended how many years ago? Harry Belafonte live at Carnegie hall. Harry waxed effusively about hearing the hall, the size of it – of being there with the audience. The last track being the best to demonstrate this. I have listened to this disc many times on both the older Magneplanar based system and now the Infinity IRS set. It’s always been great with lots of depth. But I have never felt I heard what HP described so long ago. With the Calypso between the PWD and the PWA I am there. I am actually in the hall. The size of the hall and the palpability of the elements within that hall are now real. Rounded. Three dimensional. Right. Human. Authentic.

It makes no sense whatsoever. But I intend to get to the bottom of this.

Does this mean all preamps are better than no preamp in a system of this resolving power? No. Not even close. Most I have tried, including our own, remove the magic of the DAC feeding the amp alone. What I can say is that this preamp, in this system, brings a magic to the music I have been searching for. Can it be duplicated by other means? How else might we get there? I haven’t any clue.

For now I am just listening, learning and enjoying. And doing a lot of swallowing.

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by kamen » 20 Aug 2013, 09:56

sto bi rekao Jeremy Clarkson: "Wright"

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by kamen » 20 Aug 2013, 09:59

Sto bi reko: Ma skracivao sam ja ali ispalo je duze :oky

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by kamen » 20 Aug 2013, 10:10

Normalno da je dobio 3d efekt i detalje plus velicinu hale,
u tom preampu vidim da ima po dve lampe na kanalu, nisam strucan ali mi izgleda fino uradjen proizvod
koj je celosno balansiran sto je retkost kada se upotrebljavaju lampe,
Slicno iskustvo sam imao i ja kada sam u mom sistemu postavio Nagrin preamp PL-L.

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Re: Pre Amp ?

Post by DejanM » 20 Aug 2013, 14:10

Ja jos nisam siguran ali je ovo vrlo interesantna situacija. Naime ubacivanje dodatne komponente izmedju DACa sa volume control i power ampa ne bi trebalo da bude dobra ideja. Medjutim, ocigledno je da postoje slucajevi kada poseban preamp ipak cini stvari boljim nego sto su bile iako:

- je put signala duzi
- postoje dodatni prelazni otpori zbog koriscenja dodatnih kablova
- svaki aktivni stepen unosi dodatna izoblicenja
- .... itd.

Ipak je u ovom slucaju Aestetix odradio posao.

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